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Marie Claire (2)

MC: What, in your opinion, is a successful woman entrepreneur?

CN: To me, she has to have a male quality--male energy. She functions not only on female energy which is soft and caring but also on male energy that is more assertive, aggressive and direct. She has to have a balance of both. Having only female energy makes it difficult for her to function in the working world. Take Madonna, for instance. She is very sexy but she has very strong male energy. She may bare her breasts, but her heart is very tough. She is so successful because she uses her masculine energy. Women don't utilize it because they are taught to be soft. When a woman is aggressive, she is called a "bitch". Look at the names they call Hillary Clinton. If men behave the same way, they are praised for it. That's why you need to have a thick face and not worry about what people say. You had better know that you are fair game when you compete with others. People are not going to be kind because you are taking something away from them. Resources are not infinite. If I have more, you have less. So when women are successful, some people are not happy and they attack their femininity to make them feel bad about being an effective entrepreneur.


Chin-Ning autographing her books in Beijing (Nov. 1993).


Chin-Ning relaxing (1976).

MC: Does that mean to be successful a woman has to forgo her femininity?

CN: You can be feminine but out in the working world, you had better know what you are doing because no one will give you a break just because you are a woman. You have to be tougher and professionally better than a man to stand a chance. If you want to play the "woman's game", then it is better to stay at home and let your husband protect you.

MC: Are you saying that it is all right for women to use their wiles to get their way?

CN: If you know how to use your feminine qualities and the man is a sucker, then go for it. It is a tactic. A smart woman knows that is the way to go about it. It means that she is sure of herself and knows how to use her feminine qualities to get what she wants. There is nothing wrong with that. It has got to do with how sure you are about yourself. It is a matter of how willing you are to express your opinion. "This is how I feel about it. You don't like it? This is still how I feel about it."

MC: What about men who complain that women who are assertive are a pain? CN: Men like these don't deserve a good woman anyhow. They don't want someone with a mind, so they are better off with a dumb blonde, as the Americans call it. When women have arrived professionally, men are very attracted to them. It is because these women have power and men like that. In my professional life, I find men expressing a great deal of affection because the attraction comes from the sense of wonderCAWhere did she get that much power?@ They want to know more about the person because they are attracted to that mystery. Men like to conquer. If you are strong, they want to have you as their prize.

MC: What you have just said would incur the wrath of the feminists.

CN: Every woman knows how to work in a man's world. If she knows how to utilize her femininity to get things done, fine. You can use what you have got to gain an advantage. It is not a crime to capitalize on it. Some feminists are rather extreme. But I don't feel it is wrong to be a woman. I like equality in business and employment opportunities. But I don't want to be a man. I want to be a woman but I want to beat the men at their game. I see them as competitors but not as men. So may the best person win.

MC: How do you see yourself?

CN: I am tough but I also have my vulnerabilities. I am sweet but I can be pretty nasty too. I am an ordinary person like everyone else except that I am more aware of my feelings and that of others; what works and what doesn't. I am constantly watching and learning. I learn so much every day, therefore I am never the same. I like the idea that I am improving every minute.

MC: Why do you think you are so successful?

CN: The greatest ingredient of my success is that I am an eternal optimist. I can be beaten but I will rebound with renewed hope. It doesn't matter how many setbacks and putdowns I go through In order to sustain your enthusiasm and competitive edge, you need more than brute force. You need that spiritual strength. People think that being positive means never feeling low. It is not that. It means that you have the ability to bounce back naturally. like a rubber ball. You don't have to force it.

MC: Who has made the most impact on your life?

CN: It would have to be an Indian teacher who has since passed away. I knew him in 1979. He is a meditation master who gave me the gift to find the answers within myself: he presented me with the key to open up the knowledge inside. I realized that a nice person does not equate a good person. A lot of phony people act nice. I only understood how great my teacher was when I discovered how much I have grown.

MC: Would you say that women are disadvantaged because of their gender?

CN: I never like to differentiate between women and men. Being a woman is just a physical feature. We should compete on an equal footing because I don't believe that men are better or smarter. Maybe that's true in terms of physical strength. but when it comes to mental capacity, women are superior to men. That's because women are multitask oriented; women usually have to juggle many dutiesCwash, cook, take care of the children and husbandCand work as well whereas when a man goes home after work, he feels his job has ended. Women are more intuitive because they have learned the skill of communicating without words. They are more in tune with the unspoken message of a given situation. Women are programmed to be homebound. Therefore, they have a lot of catching up to do. They have to be educated, find the competitive niche,

"The greatest ingredient of my success is that I am an eternal optimist. I can be beaten but I will rebound with renewed hope no matter how many setbacks and put downs I go through."

be more sensitive and find out what their strengths and weaknesses are. Women who are capable learn to make ways for themselves.

MC: Have you personally experienced any discrimination being a woman and an Asian at that?

CN: I have a blind spot and that is, I don't see discrimination. I am a woman and an Asian, so I am supposed to have two strikes against me but I don't see it as that. I use my so-called liabilities as assets. I thrive on it. I wouldn't know how to compete as a man because I am not one. I do know how to compete using my feminine qualities in a man's world. Being Chinese is an asset. Compared to a Chinese- who is born in America and speaks perfect English with no accent. I think I am superior because I am the genuine stuff`.

MC: What about the "glass-ceiling" that is used to keep women out?

CN: Well, if there is one, I do not know about it. I am happy that some think it exists because I don't have to compete with these women anymore. I compete with the men because I do not see myself as being inferior to men. I feel I have something to contribute and my gender doesn't matter. If you think there is a ceiling, you will be stuck underneath it. If you go beyond that, you play the game above it. I don't waste my time on the glass-ceiling because it doesn't exist for me.

MC: So you think women are holding themselves back?

CN: Yes, absolutely. In order for discrimination to exist, you first have to acknowledge it. When you do, it becomes real and you feel intimidated. I like to be in the minority who have a different perspective, who see reality from an extraordinary point of view. When that happens, you behave differently from the rest. You are one above them.

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